[quote="cthu1hu"]ShellWm, on which bbleanskin is based. Honestly though, bbleanskin is way more stable. I don't know what version you tried, but it's very stable and feature-rich now.

The alternative file explorer integration has to be dealt with on the particular program's side. It's not a blackbox thing.[/quote]
That was it.
It don't work at all in Win7 (thought could be cause of x64)
I'll try bbleanskin again, though I may just find a hacked windows theme and use that isntead, if I can find instructions for Windows 7.

Thanks!

ShellWm, on which bbleanskin is based. Honestly though, bbleanskin is way more stable. I don't know what version you tried, but it's very stable and feature-rich now.

The alternative file explorer integration has to be dealt with on the particular program's side. It's not a blackbox thing.

Advanced warning: This post is long. Sorry. I had to make my entrace, ya know, big :)

Isn't there actually 3 major visual/interactive components to that thing known as Explorer?

You have the "shell" - i.e. the taskbar, desktop compositing system, contextual menu, system tray
You have the file manager - i.e. the thing that opens normally when you double click "my computer"
Then, you have the windowing manager - the thing that makes the "x" be at the top right corner of the window, it makes the title go to the top, and most importantly it defines where the edges are, and the color of the window.

I know there is BBSkin. TBBH, it sucks. Unless it's gotten a lot better since I tried it.

There was a program I used before the advent of BBSkin, and I can't remember what it was called, something WM. I thought it was IceWM, but that's a full shell for Linux.

Also, there are certain shell integrations I would love to see happen in the BB world. One, namely is the contextual menu removal from other things (Yes, the one on the desktop is gone, but not in and on the windows). Also, being able to use an alternate filemanager with the level of integration, where if you do have "my computer" on the desktop still, when you double click that, it opens the alternate file manager isntead of explorer.exe.

Which brings me to my final poke at all this... the My Computer context menu. I could use a replacement.

If anyone knows the answears to these, please, PLEASE let me know.
something WM - been around since Win98 days at least, I believe it's done all in assembler language
fully integrated replacement for explorer.exe (file manager)
residule shell elimination (contextual menus)

Any information for shoe-horning Window XP's explorer.exe onto Windows 7 (Vista) would be nice as well. It would integrate nicely and get rid of this abonimation they've introduced.

Oh, sorry for the deadly long post, but it was mentioned about rolling up the windows (shade in Linux Blackbox/Fluxbox terms).... I use a program called WinRoll 2.0. It works on XP, 2003, Vista, Win7, and I'm assuming 2008 also. Prior to XP/03 I'm not sure - it might though. The only problem with it, and it's not WinRoll's problem... the new explorer fm won't retract in size to just a scroll bar, either with WinRoll or manually. They (MS) programmed it (Explorer.exe) that way (to be really blisteringly annoying).

[quote="Leonick"]if you just taking a pic of an application or window you could just turn off blackbox skin plugin would be a lot easier[/quote]

hm, nice point ! thx Leonick :D

[quote="igndenok"]yeah of course i know that. but, still for school project i must print screen my app with a normal appearance (for app that use database as app core), not using wb, bblean or something like that.[/quote]

if you just taking a pic of an application or window you could just turn off blackbox skin plugin would be a lot easier

yeah of course i know that. but, still for school project i must print screen my app with a normal appearance (for app that use database as app core), not using wb, bblean or something like that.

[quote="igndenok"]but sometimes i need explorer the shell to screen capture an application my school project.[/quote]
PrintScreen and Alt-PrintScreen also work with BB4Win, no need to boot into Explorer for that.

[quote="ashotz"][quote="igndenok"] why should i care about explorer ?![/quote]
depends on which explorer you are talking about, unless you have an alternate you are still using explorer the file manager just not explorer the shell.
and if you are talking about explorer the shell then by the same logic we shouldn't have a litestep or geoshell etc. thread either, but options are always nice to have :).[/quote]

i talk about explorer the shell, after i am use bblean, my computer performance is more better than explorer the shell. that's all, but sometimes i need explorer the shell to screen capture an application my school project.

[quote="igndenok"] why should i care about explorer ?![/quote]
depends on which explorer you are talking about, unless you have an alternate you are still using explorer the file manager just not explorer the shell.
and if you are talking about explorer the shell then by the same logic we shouldn't have a litestep or geoshell etc. thread either, but options are always nice to have :).

i'm happy with my bblean now, why should i care about explorer ?!

no dice. TT overrides whatever other app is running under it and only gives a context menu.

[quote="TrackhedProductions"]if TrueTransparency had a windowshade rollup (cant do without it) it would be an awesome app[/quote]

Use it with Styler. Should work...(rhetorically)

if TrueTransparency had a windowshade rollup (cant do without it) it would be an awesome app

True Transparency works fine for me (except not at all on MSN messenger), but both of those Vystal apps were laggy and didn't work correctly.

[quote="tresni"]Looks like it's a program called [url=http://www.crystalxp.net/galerie/en.id.5139-truetransparency-lefreut-explorer-tools.htm]TrueTransparency[/url]. Allows you to use PNGs for the window border.[/quote]

:shock: What has this world [i]come [/i]to! :shock: